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How not to argue against the death penalty (17may12) by Jay Knott
The governor of Illinois suspended the death penalty after finding about half of the convictions were unsafe. One reason is this: the death penalty selects jurors more likely to convict. You cannot be on a jury for a capital case...
More opposition to freedom of speech from Eugene's anti-hate brigade (26apr12...) by Jay Knott
I have never found white nationalism attractive. Though I follow the reasoning - that ethnic identity is adaptive for our genes (Salter 2007) - I just don't have it. Still, I defend white nationalism against...


How to test how much ethnic identity you have by Jay Knott:  Well, here's how I did it - "A thought experiment: I used to believe that, in 1939, I would not have fought for Britain, because Britain had no real quarrel with Germany. On the other hand, I reasoned, in 1941, when Japan...

Michigan militia members cleared of charges that accused them of plotting war against government (27mar12...) by Jay Knott

Good news about freedom: http://bit.ly/GV4LCw. Judge unimpressed by Zionist propaganda: http://on.msnbc.com/yusD3c
The Fight Against Fascism in Brighton and the South Coast (23mar12...) by Jay Knott

http://www.deliberation.info/the-fight-against-fascism-in-brighton-and-the-south-coast
A victory for hate crime hysteria - Dharun Ravi found guilty (19mar12) by Jay Knott
My warnings of the dangers of hate-crime hysteria have been proven right. Rutgers student Dharun Ravi and his friend Molly Wei posted offensive messages describing how they reacted to seeing Ravi's roommate, Tyler Clementi, making...


Even real hate crimes are cynically used to try to restrict our freedom by Jay Knott:  A Gardian hack tries to use a series of racist murders in France to amalgamate opinions with murder: "Today in Toulouse we have been given a horrific illustration of where such delirious cynicism can lead" ...


Politicians and the media attempt to turn the shooting of a teenager in Florida into a hate crime by Jay Knott:  I don't know whether the shooting of Trayvon Martin in Florida on February 26 was justified, or legal. But I do know there is no evidence of a racial motive. Nevertheless, an enormous effort is being made to convince us that the...


Trial by Facebook, and the Florida judicial system by Jay Knott:  On February 26, 2012, teenager Trayvon Martin was shot dead in Florida by George Zimmerman. Zimmerman claims he was acting in self-defense. Initially, the police decided there was not enough evidence to charge him, and they...

Edward O. Wilson, founder of Sociobiology, goes soft (18mar12) by Jay Knott
Edward O. Wilson is the founder of 'Sociobiology', the ambitious attempt to raise the umbrella of hard science over the study of human culture. It has been an uphill struggle. In the seventies, Wilson and colleagues were called...
Gilad Atzmon's US tour has changed the game (14mar12) by Jay Knott

http://www.deliberation.info/im-so-glad-weve-got-gilad/
The Greening of Bigotry - or Vice-Versa (09mar12) by Jay Knott
The word 'bigotry' is used a lot. It is mostly used to mean, not obstinate devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs but agreement with opinions I disagree with ...
White guilt in Dylan country (18feb12) by Jay Knott
There's a campaign in Duluth, Minnesota, telling the local people they are all racist and have white privilege. Rural Minnesota is very white. Germans, Norwegians and Swedes invaded the area for centuries, attracted by the...


Minnesota Nice by lutefisk:  My parents are both from rural Minnesota. My mom is a Swede and my dad Norwegian. I am therefore a product of a mix marriage. Back in my parents day the biggest racial tension was what was put on the Lutefisk at the Christmas...




A rural Minnesotan speaks out by Java:  My parents and I were German and came to live in an area of rural German Catholic communities in Minnesota, not far from Keillor's Wobegon Scandanavians. What 'lutefisk' describes could have been written be me. Anyone assessing...


Reply to Java by Jay Knott:  I don't think your comments are racist. But the campaigners in Duluth would say they are. One small point worth making is that the immigrants you refer to are from two countries brutalized by the USA. However, dumping immigrants...

Noam Chomsky - gatekeeper for Zionism (15feb12) by Jay Knott
I normally avoid the word 'gatekeeper'. It's used by conspiracy theorists to dismiss those who disagree with them. But there is one exception. Noam Chomsky's grasp of logic is unrivalled. He figured out that language is innate,...
Defend Carlos Montes - Los Angeles Feb 8 (07feb12) by Jay Knott
Carlos Montes is a community activist who is being charged with 'firearms violations'. If you are in LA on Feb 8, here are the details of Montes' appearance: 8am: Criminal Courts Bldg. 211 West Temple St. LA, CA corner with...


How not to defend postal workers by Jay Knott:  The same retro bunch of commies who sent me the stuff about Carlos Montes are now going on about plans to reduce jobs in the US Postal Service. This poster shows how not to oppose it. First off, it says "Stop...

Leviathan 2.0 - a review of Steven Pinker's The Better Angels of our Nature (20jan12...) by Jay Knott
'The civilizing mission' US troops in Afghanistan Why violence has declined Following his masterpieces of popular science 'The Language Instinct' and 'The Blank Slate', Steven Pinker has come out with a more...


Toulouse - don't read too much into it by Jay Knott:  One useful message I got from this book by Steven Pinker is not to read too much into one or two unpleasant events. His examples are world war I and world war II. I'm not sure they are very good examples of random events which...

Continued from Walt forum (07oct11) by aemathisphd
Just to clarify for the curious: Is is true that you were responsible for this Marr guy appearing at Pacifica Forum? Did or did Marr not give a Sieg Heil salute? If yes on the two above, did you denounce him for having done...


Reply to 'aemathisphd' by Jay Knott:  Is is true that you were responsible for this Marr guy appearing at Pacifica Forum? no Did or did Marr not give a Sieg Heil salute? yes If yes on the two above, did you denounce him for having done so? Since I...


Continued, continued by aemathisphd:  You write, "Since I didn't answer 'yes' to both questions, I don't need to answer this question. In fact, I don't need to answer it anyway. Instead, I will ask another question: why is the Sieg Heil salute regarded as particularly...


Off We Go Into the Wild Blue Yonder by Jay Knott:  Thanks for your reply. I'm unaccustomed to intelligent criticism. "Why the Nazis are more offensive than the US Air Force" I don't take much notice of how 'offensive' something is. Let's take a concrete example. If a group of...


"flying high, into the sky..." by aemathisphd:  Jay, Thanks for your reply. I'm unaccustomed to intelligent criticism. You're quite welcome. I don't take much notice of how 'offensive' something is. Let's take a concrete example. If a...


Liberty, Zionism and anti-Semitism by Jay Knott:  As you say - "That being said, I think that it's a dicey kind of game to have that kind of person spouting his rot. I understand, on the one hand, being a civil libertarian myself, that it's important that heinous points of...


K-Mac, eh? by aemathisphd:  I suppose if you try hard enough you can find a foul-mouthed hate-monger (probably a provocateur). It's more honest to find the BEST presentation of an idea you disagree with. In this case, it's the writings of Kevin...


Further reply to 'aemathisphd' by Jay Knott:  Aemathisphd asks: "If what you're saying is that Palestinian militants need to embrace their anti-Semitism in the same manner that some ANC types embraced their hatred of all white people, regardless of their political ...


Jewish supremacism vs. white supremacism? by aemathisphd:  OK, I think I have a better idea what you're talking about now. So the question, then, is why has white supremacism been largely defeated, or at least questioned, while Jewish supremacy, specifically in the case of Israel, has...


'Played' the role of victims? by Jay Knott:  You've noticed the role of guilt in politics. It's amazing (particularly to someone raised in the 'materialist conception of history') that such emotions can affect the supposedly hard-headed rulers of the 'imperialist' countries,...


Historical certitude by aemathisphd:  You've noticed the role of guilt in politics. It's amazing (particularly to someone raised in the 'materialist conception of history') that such emotions can affect the supposedly hard-headed rulers of the 'imperialist'...


It's not about facts by Jay Knott:  'Aemathisphd' - I am familiar with all the facts you narrated in your last post.I could disagree with some of them, but I have to remind myself, my argument doesn't depend on facts.It's to do with who controls access to facts,...


So what's the "other side"? by aemathisphd:  You wrote: {snip} Knowing all the above, its reasonable to ask if the history we have been taught is entirely free of philo-semitism. This is one reason 'holocaust deniers' exist - they reason that, since we've been told a...


Noam Chomsky demolished the idea that 'holocaust denial' is 'anti-semitism' by Jay Knott:  He pointed out, for example, that someone who had never heard of the Holocaust, then was told of it, and simply didn't believe that people could do such things, could be a denier. Other people doubt aspects of the official...


Like Potter Stewart on pornography... by aemathisphd:  He pointed out, for example, that someone who had never heard of the Holocaust, then was told of it, and simply didn't believe that people could do such things, could be a denier. Yeah, except he's wrong also. The vast...


I think we'll have to leave it at that for the time being... by Jay Knott:  I read with interest your essay on the Anti-Defamation League's gymnastics on the Armenian massacre, but I've never heard of Potter Stewart. This discussion reminds me of why Jeff Blankfort says to avoid 'the big...




Response pasted (and expanded) from e-mail by aemathisphd:  Well, I don't see much new here. Atzmon is correct that it shouldn't matter whether one believes or doesn't believe that the Holocaust happened to qualify one as being in solidarity with the Palestinians. But the real world...


There is no logical connection between holocaust revisionism and anti-semitism by Jay Knott:  In previous messages, aemathisphd, you wrote"Holocaust denial exists as a continuation of anti-Semitism before 1945. It's no more complicated than that." pacificaforum.org/posts/445 pacificaforum.org/posts/447 and in your...


The rogues' gallery by aemathisphd:  What do you want to do, Jay, go over the rogues' gallery of people who have espoused Holocaust denial? One of the things that Paul Eisen never bothers to mention in lionizing Ernst Zundel and Ingrid Rimland is that they're...


There's more than one rogues' gallery by Jay Knott:  I'm glad you agree with the one-state solution. This means you are not a Zionist. But you still have the remnants of a Jewish tribal viewpoint: "Anti-Semitism, unlike most other kinds of prejudice, has an enormous and quite recent...


Ass-backwards syllogism by aemathisphd:  Jay, You write: "But you still have the remnants of a Jewish tribal viewpoint: "Anti-Semitism, unlike most other kinds of prejudice, has an enormous and quite recent body count", you claim. Not so. Anti-semitism...



Judge dismisses claims of "anti-Semitic climate" at UC Berkeley (14jan12...) by Jay Knott

http://electronicintifada.net/content/judge-dismisses-claims-anti-semitic-climate-uc-berkeley/10780
Political correctness and the economic crisis in Europe (22dec11) by Jay Knott
I don't have a yen for economics, but I can see the dolorous state of the economy. The Euro project is in trouble, for reasons I don't understand. It might be something to do with having one currency, but many national banks. ...


You think I'm exaggerating about obsession with racism? by Jay Knott:  Headlines on the Guardian front page, 5 January 2012: Italian rail company lambasted for 'racist' web commercial Racism: still real, but no longer speaking its mind? Chevron accused of racism I'm not alone in feeling...

Leader of the Falkland Islanders compares their plight to Palestine (21dec11...) by Jay Knott
There was a war between Britain and Argentina over the Falklands, or Malvinas, in 1982. Britain won. Argentina still claims the Falklands, and most of her neighbors support her. After all, the sparsely-populated islands are a lot...
Kick Anti-Racism out of football (21dec11...) by Jay Knott
Liverpool's Uruguayan striker Luis Suarez has just been banned for eight matches for a bit of banter with Manchester United's French-African defender Patrice Evra. The thought police who run the Football Association were deaf to...






Show 'Show Racism the Red Card' the Red Card by Jay Knott:  "I do know United fans are going to try to make me feel uncomfortable. But I have to tell them they are going to spur me on if they whistle at me" says Liverpool's Luis Suarez, regarding the match at Old Trafford on...


Anti-racism isn't the only p.c. ideology to undermine English football - remember Hoddle by Jay Knott:  Glenn Hoddle was fired from the England coach position for expressing a religious view. As one of the few Buddhists in the soccer world, he said that disabled people were suffering bad karma from previous lifetimes. I'm sorry, but...




Anti-racist chanting mars el Lancashire Clásico by Jay Knott:  "David Cameron stepped into the row by saying he would stage a Downing Street summit on football racism" For the first time ever, anti-racist chanting has become a problem at football grounds. The police seized a magazine for...


Luis Suarez is learning that you just can't apologise enough for 'anti-racists' by Jay Knott:  'Anti-racists' are self-righteous holier-than-thou soft cops.Luis Suarez apologised for not shaking the hand of a fellow footballer who played the race card against him, taking advantage of the hysterical anti-racist atmosphere in...


Racist abuse at a football match. Pope is Catholic. Bears... by Jay Knott:  It might be simpler if clubs were obliged to report when there isn't any racism at a match... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/17/uefa-racist-abuse-mario...


'All the mascots are white' by Jay Knott:  Comment in Daily Telegraph on Spurs/Man U match 4 March 2012: '"The mascots are all Caucasian, yet again. Kick racism out of football? What a joke," writes Liverpool1892fc'. The guy has no sense of history. The ultra-pc attitudes...


Man arrested for offensive tweet about critically ill footballer by Jay Knott:  Fabrice Muamba collapsed at White Hart Lane on St. Patrick's day. He is in critical condition. It shows what professional athletics is like - footballers are forced to work out more than is good for them - they're too fit. ...


Man gets two months for offensive tweets by Jay Knott:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fabrice-muamba-tweets He got 56 days jail, and his university won't take him back. An insanely disproportionate response to a few provocative tweets which didn't have...

Greece on the slippery slope? (17dec11) by Jay Knott
Liberals in Europe are getting their knickers in a twist about the rise of the far right. The latest shock-horror story comes from the Guardian, about a fascist scare in crisis-torn Greece. One of the bad boys says: "Vote for a...


Austria says balls to the UN by Jay Knott:  ''The United Nations cultural arm, UNESCO dropped the entire Viennese ball concept from its list of Austrian cultural traditions last month after protests from anti-fascist campaigners. UNESCO said the student ball had...



Treehugger women sue the police for seducing them (17dec11...) by Jay Knott
I have every sympathy for the environment and the women's movement and none for the police. But I can't help laughing at this example of illogical green liberal whining. Cops infiltrated the green movement in the UK, and in many...


Mummy's a fluffy, daddy's a piggie by Jay Knott:  Apparently, there are several children who are products of police 'infiltration' of the ecology movement. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/20/undercover-police-children-activists The cops abandoned the women - and the...

War on Iran has already begun (09dec11...) by Jay Knott

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/07/iran-war-already-begun




Iran refuses to hand back captured US drone by Jay Knott:  How unreasonable of the mad mullahs! No wonder they are becoming internationally isolated. If an unmanned military spy plane lands in your territory, surely courtesy dictates you promptly return it to its rightful owner. Whatever...


Obama suspends constitution - US citizens can be held indefinitely without trial by Jay Knott:  "Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil". Notice the way his supporters say he has...


An article about the NDAA and Obama suspending the constitution by Jay Knott:  This is a big step for the Guardian, the queen of the liberal media. It published an article by an American libertarian describing how Obama has suspended civil rights, allowing the military to kidnap and kill anyone in the world,...






Maybe I spoke too soon by Jay Knott: 

Rumors in the media suggest that the US government has told the Israelis to back off a little





I didn't speak too soon by Jay Knott:  On 19 Jan, I wrote 'maybe I spoke too soon' re. America following Israel into war with Iran. But I didn't - Obama has just made it clear to the Israelis that the US will attack Iran if it starts to acheive nuclear parity. The...

Is the Israel Lobby in Britain stronger than it is in the US? (08dec11...) by Jay Knott
Laura Stuart, writing on Gilad Atzmon's site, seems to think so: "In America people are aware of the First value for the notions of personal liberty and democracy. In Britain, it seems as if we are reaching the point of no...
Woman with young child spends Christmas in prison in Britain because of her opinions (07dec11) by Jay Knott
Well, not just because of her opinions, but because she shouted them out in an offensive way on a train. So why defend her? Because her racist outburst was not a violent threat. A woman with a baby is not about to assault anyone....


Another victim of political correctness by Jay Knott:  Rutgers student Tyler Clementi committed sucide after his roommate, Dharun Ravi, secretly filmed him in an encounter with another man. If the encounter had been heterosexual, Ravi would not have been charged *. His behavior would...


Correction by Jay Knott: 

They let her out before Christmas. Still, the fact that she did any prison time at all means they don't have freedom in Britain.



Another correction by Jay Knott: 

The media say that the judge sent her to jail 'for her own good' because she had received death threats. Do they normally jail the victims of death threats? Don't they usually have cops keep watch on the victim at home?



Muslim victims of political correctness by Jay Knott:  If this story is accurate, what these Muslim men wrote about gays is abhorrent. But saying that Islam prescribes death for homosexuality is an opinion - it may even be true. Given that Britain has religious freedom, how can it be...





'Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers': Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations, 1948
"The Pacifica Forum's central purpose is to provide information and perspective on the issues of war and peace, militarism and pacifism, violence and non-violence. It seeks not to persuade, but to inform and clarify, so that people can reach sound, informed conclusions on their own. The Pacifica Forum resists efforts to silence this endeavor." - The Pacifica Forum's original statement of purpose
Following a meeting at the University of Oregon, addressed by the governor of the state, where the Pacifica Forum's first amendment rights were opposed by government officials, the University set new criteria for Forum meetings. They now have to be sponsored by a University department, and agreed to by a vote of the professors in that department. Given the craven pc attitudes of most academics, this is virtually equivalent to denying freedom of speech.

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Governor of Oregon opposes freedom of speech for the Pacifica Forum

Foundation for Individual Rights in Education on Pacifica Forum

Inside Higher Ed Magazine on Pacifica Forum

Oregon Commentator on Pacifica Forum

A group on Facebook which advocated violence against Pacifica Forum

University of Oregon Daily Emerald letter about violent threat against Pacifica Forum

University of Oregon Senate Resolution Deploring the Pacifica Forum

Eugene Register-Guard on Pacifica Forum

Willamette Week on Portland anti-fascists

Political Correctness and freedom of speech on campus - Reason Magazine, January, 2010

Zionist Campaign Against a Free Speech Newspaper - Berkeley Planet, June, 2009

Allegations Against Pacifica Forum - a response

Why the Wikipedia page about Pacifica Forum is so inaccurate

The Holocaust Industry by Barry Sommer at Pacifica Forum

Islam Today, Barry Sommer's blog

A response to an allegation of 'Nazism' in Pacifica Forum

The Forum's founder defended free speech for communists in the 60's: this is how they repaid him

Valdas Anelauskas's lectures on 'Zionism in Russia' - May...November, 2006

The Southern Poverty Law Center and its critics

Anti-Semitism Goes to School - from the SPLC Fall 2008 Intelligence Report

A critique of Pacifica Forum by the Anti-Defamation League

Cabal criticizes Pacifica Forum by Dawn Coslow

Debate in Eugene Register-Guard letters page about Pacifica Forum

Zionists Out of the Peace Movement

Wildcat Online

Counterpunch

The Holocaust History Project

deliberation.info - an anti-Zionist news site

If Americans Knew - how the US media distorts the news in favor of Israel

Resources for Palestine


The Mass Psychology of Anti-Fascism


An online pamphlet about World War II and the Israel Lobby

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